how can anyone make fun of such a serious and reasonable endeavor as gathering urine samples from thousands of highly educated and loyal scientists on the off chance you can catch one up smoking a little pot!
I filled the jug with Gatoraid. We'll see how things "go," as they say. (Yes, whoever did this posting is juvenile, but so is the policy of treating scientists like juveniles.)
Once you start to recognize blatantly ridiculously juvenile acts such as this one, maybe you will be able to recognize the more subtle (but equally juvenile) ones...
Do you really think ridiculously juvenile blog entries with silly pictures and a fake memo has a net positive effect on anything related to what you are railing against? Of course not. That was my point. All it does is help paint the picture that Congress is right about us scientists at LANL. It simply propagates the general picture. We are losing the perception war that we just don't get it and stuff like this does not help. Sorry I did not spell it out with silly pictures and fake memos for all of you. Nice job giving the enemy more fodder for their canon.
Just out of curiosity do you think you are even remotely as good a scientist as Brad is? Do you think that when it really counts the American people would rather have you or Brad at LANL?
Somehow I get the feeling that you are some loser who is really frightened that you could never geat a real job if LANL is shut down. Are you really the kind of person the American people want at LANL or any of the labs?
Ah, yes, the cry of the truly desperate: "I'm a better scientist than you are!" Followed by name calling.
Impressive. I am humbled by the power of your intellect that is on display here.
Kind of right back to the beginning of the comments on this blog posting, aren't we?
Perhaps you should reflect on my original question and ask yourself if you think blog posts like this one and the inane comments (including my own of course) that follow help or hurt the laboratory. The blog post itself does not irritate me. And it is kind of funny, but (in my opinion) it is also harmful. Perhaps I just don't understand the purpose of the blog. If it is to blow off steam and make fun of folks and assign blame to people we disapprove of like a bunch of preening middle school kids, great! Looks like it is hitting that mark perfectly. And it does make for fun reading at times.
Unfortunately it also serves those aligned against the laboratory, but at least it's fun. But I guess nobody said we can't have fun while we feed fuel to those trying to burn the place down. I'm sure all of those "C students" that pay our bills can't stop laughing at our non-stop self-annihilation.
Clearly this is not the blog for you... I can't imagine why you waste any time on it. Unless, perchance, you too see that these are dire times and you are willing to range far and wide in search of some hope, some answers, some alternatives, some relief.
We agree with you that the Congress might very well mistake this blog for somehow representing more than a minority dissenting "opinion" regarding the wide range of things going on here. But that would reflect the failings of the Congress.
A little comic relief, a little dark humor, a little venting, a little satirical expose' of the many, many, many inappropriate at many, many, many levels things that are going on here.
If there is anything hugely important in this world it is the future of Nuclear Weapons. It is too important to leave *solely* in the hands of politicians. It is important that an informed citizenry take note. LANL staff are a serious core of informed citizenry. And I'm including the 99% who probably don't even read this (or any other blog) much less post or comment to them.
5:16 - The fact that you even read this blog and waste the keystrokes to comment gives me hope. You may be right that this blog (and the others, at least the commentary) does not reflect well on the citizenry of the laboratory *IF IT IS TO BE TAKEN AS TYPICAL OF THE LABORATORY*. But taken as a clearly cynical, dissenting, minority set of opinions, it is an important point of view.
Thank you for participating 5:16... I hope you will continue to read this blog critically and provide insights a little deeper than "this is ridicously juvenile" and "nice job giving the enemy more fodder for their canon (sic)".
Brad has earned the right to be as silly as he wants to to make a point.
Brad Holian is a good scientist.
Brad Holian has stood up to be counted under his own name numerous times...
1) His analysis in Science of the "safety and security" statistics that Nanos tried to paint us with was clean work.
2) Brad stood up and said "I will not be subjected to the indignity of a drug-screening test"
3) Brad has pointed out the inanity of the latest DOE policy on Polygraphs.
However: Brad did not submit these silly pictures and fake memo... a good friend of his with a sense of humor did. Brad good naturedly endured this.
You have earned our respect through your tenacity and well-spoken position.
We would like to bring this discussion to level of a top-post. If you submit your own post (email:strangeloveomatic.gmail.com) on the topic of the utility and value of blogs in general, the LANL-related blogs and this blog in particular, we will give it a top level posting, we will provide a minimum of our own commentary to try to frame it honestly, and throw it open for discussion.
You seem to have a genuine interest in the health, future and image of the laboratory... that makes you as much "friend" as "foe" in our book, no matter how much our preferred styles and modes may differ.
Doc, your comments are well taken. I will consider your suggestion. It may be that this is just the wrong blog for this type of discussion...which is just fine of course. Humor is a wonderful elixir and maybe I really am not viewing this blog with the right perspective.
To be honest, I don't know if the kind of discussion I would like to see is even possible. Not because people don't want to improve things. I think we fear facing some of the issues head on and realizing that some of the most difficult ones are completely out of our control, while others are our own doing. And none of them have simple answers. I think that makes this very difficult. For all of us. I need to think more about this.
You are correct. I do have a genuine interest in the health and future of this laboratory as a scientific institution.
I think the blogs are valuable and so are the silly pictures. Satire has been one of the best tools used by intelletuals over the years. The blogs have been very good in this regard. I shows thinking people in the public and the Congress that LANL still has some smart and witty people who question authority and will point out nonsense when it appears. Any institution is only as good as the people that comprise it.
"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh."
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19 comments:
How ridiculously juvenile.
shocked! we are just shocked!
how can anyone make fun of such a serious and reasonable endeavor as gathering urine samples from thousands of highly educated and loyal scientists on the off chance you can catch one up smoking a little pot!
shocking! i say shocking. and juvenile.
I filled the jug with Gatoraid. We'll see how things "go," as they say.
(Yes, whoever did this posting is juvenile, but so is the policy of treating scientists like juveniles.)
5:52
So you noticed. Good start.
Once you start to recognize blatantly ridiculously juvenile acts such as this one, maybe you will be able to recognize the more subtle (but equally juvenile) ones...
Like Brad said...
Brad -
A friend suggested yesterday that when he goes in for his polygraph, maybe he should piss on the machine and then act innocently shocked.
"gosh... I'm sorry... how could I possibly keep track of all these arbitrary and inane tests... I thought I was here to provide a urine sample!"
How ridiculously juvenile...
we are shocked!
threatening to destroy government property by pissing on the polygraph machine.
shocking! shocking and juvenile...
If you break it, it's urine.
Do you really think ridiculously juvenile blog entries with silly pictures and a fake memo has a net positive effect on anything related to what you are railing against? Of course not. That was my point. All it does is help paint the picture that Congress is right about us scientists at LANL. It simply propagates the general picture. We are losing the perception war that we just don't get it and stuff like this does not help. Sorry I did not spell it out with silly pictures and fake memos for all of you. Nice job giving the enemy more fodder for their canon.
5:46 Poster,
Just out of curiosity do you think you are even remotely as good a scientist as Brad is? Do you think that when it really counts the American people would rather have you or Brad at LANL?
Somehow I get the feeling that you are some loser who is really frightened that you could never geat a real job if LANL is shut down. Are you really the kind of person the American people want at LANL or any of the labs?
Ah, yes, the cry of the truly desperate: "I'm a better scientist than you are!" Followed by name calling.
Impressive. I am humbled by the power of your intellect that is on display here.
Kind of right back to the beginning of the comments on this blog posting, aren't we?
Perhaps you should reflect on my original question and ask yourself if you think blog posts like this one and the inane comments (including my own of course) that follow help or hurt the laboratory. The blog post itself does not irritate me. And it is kind of funny, but (in my opinion) it is also harmful. Perhaps I just don't understand the purpose of the blog. If it is to blow off steam and make fun of folks and assign blame to people we disapprove of like a bunch of preening middle school kids, great! Looks like it is hitting that mark perfectly. And it does make for fun reading at times.
Unfortunately it also serves those aligned against the laboratory, but at least it's fun. But I guess nobody said we can't have fun while we feed fuel to those trying to burn the place down. I'm sure all of those "C students" that pay our bills can't stop laughing at our non-stop self-annihilation.
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, eh lads?
5:46
Clearly this is not the blog for you... I can't imagine why you waste any time on it. Unless, perchance, you too see that these are dire times and you are willing to range far and wide in search of some hope, some answers, some alternatives, some relief.
We agree with you that the Congress might very well mistake this blog for somehow representing more than a minority dissenting "opinion" regarding the wide range of things going on here. But that would reflect the failings of the Congress.
A little comic relief, a little dark humor, a little venting, a little satirical expose' of the many, many, many inappropriate at many, many, many levels things that are going on here.
If there is anything hugely important in this world it is the future of Nuclear Weapons. It is too important to leave *solely* in the hands of politicians. It is important that an informed citizenry take note. LANL staff are a serious core of informed citizenry. And I'm including the 99% who probably don't even read this (or any other blog) much less post or comment to them.
5:16 - The fact that you even read this blog and waste the keystrokes to comment gives me hope. You may be right that this blog (and the others, at least the commentary) does not reflect well on the citizenry of the laboratory *IF IT IS TO BE TAKEN AS TYPICAL OF THE LABORATORY*. But taken as a clearly cynical, dissenting, minority set of opinions, it is an important point of view.
Thank you for participating 5:16... I hope you will continue to read this blog critically and provide insights a little deeper than "this is ridicously juvenile" and "nice job giving the enemy more fodder for their canon (sic)".
Brad has earned the right to be as silly as he wants to to make a point.
Brad Holian is a good scientist.
Brad Holian has stood up to be counted under his own name numerous times...
1) His analysis in Science of the "safety and security" statistics that Nanos tried to paint us with was clean work.
2) Brad stood up and said "I will not be subjected to the indignity of a drug-screening test"
3) Brad has pointed out the inanity of the latest DOE policy on Polygraphs.
However: Brad did not submit these silly pictures and fake memo... a good friend of his with a sense of humor did. Brad good naturedly endured this.
- Doc
5:52AM cum 5:56PM nee 8:18 -
You have earned our respect through your tenacity and well-spoken position.
We would like to bring this discussion to level of a top-post. If you submit your own post (email:strangeloveomatic.gmail.com) on the topic of the utility and value of blogs in general, the LANL-related blogs and this blog in particular, we will give it a top level posting, we will provide a minimum of our own commentary to try to frame it honestly, and throw it open for discussion.
You seem to have a genuine interest in the health, future and image of the laboratory... that makes you as much "friend" as "foe" in our book, no matter how much our preferred styles and modes may differ.
"bring it on!"
thanks,
- Doc
Doc, your comments are well taken. I will consider your suggestion. It may be that this is just the wrong blog for this type of discussion...which is just fine of course. Humor is a wonderful elixir and maybe I really am not viewing this blog with the right perspective.
To be honest, I don't know if the kind of discussion I would like to see is even possible. Not because people don't want to improve things. I think we fear facing some of the issues head on and realizing that some of the most difficult ones are completely out of our control, while others are our own doing. And none of them have simple answers. I think that makes this very difficult. For all of us. I need to think more about this.
You are correct. I do have a genuine interest in the health and future of this laboratory as a scientific institution.
8:18pm
I think the blogs are valuable and so are the silly pictures. Satire has been one of the best tools used by intelletuals over the years. The blogs have been very good in this regard. I shows thinking people in the public and the Congress that LANL still has some smart and witty people who question authority and will point out nonsense when it appears. Any institution is only as good as the people that comprise it.
"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh."
Nietzsche
Nietzche -
This Blog IS my dance and when I make you laugh, I hope it is through some subtle truth exposed.
From an Admin's internal LANL memo:
Drug testing info:
If you are contacted for a random drug test, you must show up to test within the time allotted by the test coordinator. You are not considered to be contacted until the test coordinator talks with you. If you cannot be reached by phone, the program will call your manager to determine if you are on approved leave. If so, your Znumber is returned to the testing pool (approved leave would include working at home that your manager has approved). After the test, you will not be contacted if the test results are negative. If the rest results are positive, the Medical Review Officer contacts you to come over for an interview and discussion, seeking a medical explanation for the positive result. Positives have occurred due to standard prescription meds but were resolved through this medical review process. To date, all confirmed positive results (meaning, not the result of prescribed medication) have resulted in termination.
Quirky: HR recently developed a website for New Employees, which includes a LANL Acronyms link. From that list---
Golden Retrievers: Nickname for the drivers of the large vans where employees donate their samples for random drug tests.
[Suppressed 'giggle' at end of memo ... ]
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